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		<title>Water Cooler (new posts)</title>
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				<title>Test message: </title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 04:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Reply to Reply to Post #5</p> 
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				<title>Test message: </title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 03:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>lalitp</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>66813</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Reply to Post #5</p> 
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				<title>Test message: </title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 03:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Post #5 as guest test user</p> 
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				<title>Test message: Re: Test message</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Post #4</p> 
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				<title>Test message: Re: Test message</title>
				<link>http://kogics.wikidot.com/forum/t-1040354/test-message#post-2133532</link>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Post #3</p> 
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				<title>Test message 2: Re: Test message 2</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2014 04:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Great!</p> 
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				<title>Test message: Re: Test message</title>
				<link>http://kogics.wikidot.com/forum/t-1040354/test-message#post-2133423</link>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2014 04:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>lalitp</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>66813</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Here's a post in an existing thread (again to test email notifications).</p> 
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				<title>Test message 2: Re: Test message 2</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Bjorn Regnell</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>1972470</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Yes. Got email!</p> 
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				<title>Test message 2: Test message 2</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Test message 2 (for notification testing)</p> 
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				<title>Test message: Test message</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This is a message to test notifications</p> 
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				<title>Boxer: improvements to Logo: </title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Great! Looking forward to your feedback&#8230;</p> 
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				<title>Boxer: improvements to Logo: </title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Kartik Agaram</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Thanks! I'll try these on my adult 'students' and report back.</p> 
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				<title>Boxer: improvements to Logo: </title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2013 02:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>They are described in the Learning to Program book available from this page.<br /> <a href="http://wiki.kogics.net/sf:beta-books">http://wiki.kogics.net/sf:beta-books</a></p> <p>Then there's the (slightly oldish) Pictures page on the wiki:<br /> <a href="http://wiki.kogics.net/sf:pictures">http://wiki.kogics.net/sf:pictures</a></p> <p>There's also some material on them here:<br /> <a href="http://lalitpant.blogspot.in/2012/05/recursive-drawing-with-kojo.html">http://lalitpant.blogspot.in/2012/05/recursive-drawing-with-kojo.html</a></p> 
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				<title>Boxer: improvements to Logo: </title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2013 02:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Kartik Agaram</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I'm not familiar with Kojo's Pictures. Where do you think I should start digging into them?</p> 
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				<title>Boxer: improvements to Logo: Re: Boxer: improvements to Logo</title>
				<link>http://kogics.wikidot.com/forum/t-675162/boxer:improvements-to-logo#post-1821738</link>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>A lot of good ideas, indeed. Here are some initial thoughts based on a quick browse.</p> <p>First of all, I wish there was a way to run Boxer, to see the ideas in action!</p> <p>I'm personally not a big fan of visual programming (I think it makes the high-ceiling of an environment lower, and the wide-walls narrower). But there's an argument to be made that it provides a lower floor.</p> <p>So how can these ideas make Kojo better?</p> <p>We need to make the workings of programs more visible to users. An important effort in this direction is the script-tracing GSOC project that's being done this summer.</p> <p>We need better syntax-error recovery (these don't happen at all in a Visual Programming Environment).</p> <p>I was also struck by the similarity, in a lot of respects, between Boxes in Boxer and Pictures in Kojo. It might be an interesting idea to slap on a nice UI over pictures to see where that leads.</p> <p>In any case, thanks for the very interesting links!</p> 
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				<title>Kill Math: an interactive essay: Kill Math: an interactive essay</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Kartik Agaram</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p><a href="http://worrydream.com/KillMath">http://worrydream.com/KillMath</a></p> <p>(Testing if I can post links.)</p> 
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				<title>Boxer: improvements to Logo: Boxer: improvements to Logo</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>From Kartik Agaram (he couldn't post this because of Wikidot restrictions on links in posts for new users):</p> <p>It doesn't look like this has come up on the forums before, and there<br /> are a lot of good ideas:</p> <p><a href="http://www.soe.berkeley.edu/boxer/20reasons.pdf">http://www.soe.berkeley.edu/boxer/20reasons.pdf</a><br /> via <a href="http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4695">http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4695</a></p> 
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				<title>educational languages on Phil Wadler&#039;s blog: Re: educational languages on Phil Wadler&#039;s blog</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 05:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>I put a link to kojo in a comment on Phil Wadler's blog where he has been discussing languages for kids</p> </blockquote> <p>Great!</p> <blockquote> <p>Needless to say kojo doesn't have a low ceiling.</p> </blockquote> <p>Exactly right. Kojo's got a low floor and a high ceiling (courtesy Scala).</p> <p>From your comment:</p> <blockquote> <p>My 7-year old grandson loves it, but it does need a bit of adult expertise to explain error messages at the moment. The author is working on it.</p> </blockquote> <p>I'm afraid this is on hold right now due to time/prioritization constraints.<br /> After I added Stories to Kojo, the subset of Scala used by kids became much bigger (and the task of defining language levels for Kojo became much more complicated).<br /> Also, the kids that I work with seem to get by just fine when they encounter errors. Most of them don't pay much attention to the error messages, but, given that they know (with Kojo's help) the exact line number where the error is, they are able to examine the location of the error - and (mostly) figure out and recover from the problem.</p> 
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				<title>educational languages on Phil Wadler&#039;s blog: educational languages on Phil Wadler&#039;s blog</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Robert Smart</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I put a link to kojo in a comment on Phil Wadler's blog where he has been discussing languages for kids: <a href="http://wadler.blogspot.com/2011/02/low-floors-low-ceilings-and-alice.html">http://wadler.blogspot.com/2011/02/low-floors-low-ceilings-and-alice.html</a>, and also the previous blog post. Needless to say kojo doesn't have a low ceiling.</p> 
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				<title>Interview: Scala Learning Environment on the NetBeans Platform: Re: Interview: Scala Learning Environment on the NetBeans Platform</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Nope, I didn't change anything.<br /> Lemme know if this happens to you again&#8230;</p> 
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