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		<title>Boxer: improvements to Logo</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>lalitp</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>66813</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Great! Looking forward to your feedback&#8230;</p> 
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Kartik Agaram</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Thanks! I'll try these on my adult 'students' and report back.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2013 02:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>They are described in the Learning to Program book available from this page.<br /> <a href="http://wiki.kogics.net/sf:beta-books">http://wiki.kogics.net/sf:beta-books</a></p> <p>Then there's the (slightly oldish) Pictures page on the wiki:<br /> <a href="http://wiki.kogics.net/sf:pictures">http://wiki.kogics.net/sf:pictures</a></p> <p>There's also some material on them here:<br /> <a href="http://lalitpant.blogspot.in/2012/05/recursive-drawing-with-kojo.html">http://lalitpant.blogspot.in/2012/05/recursive-drawing-with-kojo.html</a></p> 
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2013 02:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Kartik Agaram</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I'm not familiar with Kojo's Pictures. Where do you think I should start digging into them?</p> 
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				<title>Re: Boxer: improvements to Logo</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>lalitp</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>66813</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>A lot of good ideas, indeed. Here are some initial thoughts based on a quick browse.</p> <p>First of all, I wish there was a way to run Boxer, to see the ideas in action!</p> <p>I'm personally not a big fan of visual programming (I think it makes the high-ceiling of an environment lower, and the wide-walls narrower). But there's an argument to be made that it provides a lower floor.</p> <p>So how can these ideas make Kojo better?</p> <p>We need to make the workings of programs more visible to users. An important effort in this direction is the script-tracing GSOC project that's being done this summer.</p> <p>We need better syntax-error recovery (these don't happen at all in a Visual Programming Environment).</p> <p>I was also struck by the similarity, in a lot of respects, between Boxes in Boxer and Pictures in Kojo. It might be an interesting idea to slap on a nice UI over pictures to see where that leads.</p> <p>In any case, thanks for the very interesting links!</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>From Kartik Agaram (he couldn't post this because of Wikidot restrictions on links in posts for new users):</p> <p>It doesn't look like this has come up on the forums before, and there<br /> are a lot of good ideas:</p> <p><a href="http://www.soe.berkeley.edu/boxer/20reasons.pdf">http://www.soe.berkeley.edu/boxer/20reasons.pdf</a><br /> via <a href="http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4695">http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4695</a></p> 
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